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23rd-May-2007 10:34 pm(no subject)

We decided that we wanted a break from mice, and we took the last of our mice to P&K Pets on Sunday. There were a lot of factors that contributed to the decision, and we gave it a lot of thought.

I don't know if and when we'll be breeding again, but until then, I'd recommend P&K Pets in SA, and the interstate breeders listed on our breeders page.

5th-Mar-2007 12:00 pm(no subject) [breeding boys, bucks]

Buck: Unnamed
Phenotype: Broken marked himi/siamese (probably siamese)
Genotype: B/- ch/- s/s re/re Go/-
DOB: Unknown
Adopted: 05/03/2007 from Pets Paradise (Colonades)
Parents: Unknown
Database entry

This as-yet-unnamed boy was a lucky find in a petshop, just when we were looking for some new bucks :) He has nice looking ears, and it looks like he'll grow up to be a very nice looking mouse. He's obviously either a siamese or a himi (based on his tail point and ruby eyes), but doesn't have a nose point due to his blaze. Unfortunately most of the pics I took were over-exposed, I really need to get some more. Hopefully I'll be able to better show his ears too.
5th-Feb-2007 11:53 pm(no subject)
Whew. I've finally posted a (back dated) entry for the new girl "Storm", and also our latest three litters, as well as updated Pecan's litter with individual pics. There are still a few more pictures I could add to "fill the gap" in that litter's development, but that can wait for now.

This has reminded me that I *still* haven't put an individual entry for Ghee, Maple or Tina (and Ghee is already a father!) but that wont take too long.
1st-Feb-2007 11:41 pm - General Update
We're still waiting to get broadband connected here, and hence haven't been updating as much as I'd like to (I can't face the picture uploading time).

News (all things I'd like to write more about)

# At least two of Pecans litter are angora, and some of the others are less convincing but probably carrying. We'll keep two blue girls (one of which is an angora, and probably an angora fawn boy too. The others will be ready to be re-homed soon.
# We recently got a new female mouse (broken marked of an unknown colour - pics to come soon)
# We have 3 new litters, all born on the same day
    - Angel and Ghee (8 babies, all pink or ruby eyed, 4 manx). Fat and healthy. Were expecting siamese, himi and albino, but some look a lot darker than expected...
    - Vee and Spike (4 babies, 1 with pink eyes) 1 black marked, 2 lighter-than-black marked
    - Shadow and Spike (8 babies, 2 with pink eyes) - looking a little scrawny so fostered three of them to Vee tonight. We can already see the markings on Vee's babies, so we'll still be able to tell them apart.

That's all for now. I feel so behind with updating and picture posting :S
29th-Jan-2007 12:00 pm - Shadow and Spike [past litters, shadow, spike]

This is a back dated entry because we didn't have the internet connected when this litter was born. We'll edit this entry with pictures and updates as the litter progresses.

  
Dam: MTM ShadowSire: MTM Spike
Black tanBroken marked black
at/a B/b C/- D/d P/- S/s re/rea/a B/b C/- D/d P/- s/s re/re

This is a brother sister mating that has been planned from the time that we mated April and Mason together to get mice carrying both blue and chocolate. We were hoping to create a lilac mouse eventually, or at least get some chocolate mice carrying blue and vice versa, as these are some of the colours we are most interested in working with. We have bred Spike to both Vee and Shadow at the same time. We don't want to make a habit of inbreeding, but it does have it's uses, especially early on as lines are being established. Although we have had several litters now, we are still very much in the process of establishing the colours and coat types that we wish to breed.

29th-Jan-2007 12:00 pm - Vee and Spike [past litters, spike, vee]

This is a back dated entry because we didn't have the internet connected when this litter was born. We'll edit this entry with pictures and updates as the litter progresses.

  
Dam: MTM VeeSire: MTM Spike
Broken marked black tanBroken marked black
at/a B/b C/- D/d P/- s/s re/rea/a B/b C/- D/d P/- s/s re/re

This is a brother sister mating that has been planned from the time that we mated April and Mason together to get mice carrying both blue and chocolate. We were hoping to create a lilac mouse eventually, or at least get some chocolate mice carrying blue and vice versa, as these are some of the colours we are most interested in working with. We have bred Spike to both Vee and Shadow at the same time. We don't want to make a habit of inbreeding, but it does have it's uses, especially early on as lines are being established. Although we have had several litters now, we are still very much in the process of establishing the colours and coat types that we wish to breed.

29th-Jan-2007 12:00 pm - Angel and MTM Ghee [angel, ghee, past litters]
This is a back dated entry because we didn't have the internet connected when this litter was born. We'll edit this entry with pictures and updates as the litter progresses.


  
Dam: AngelSire: MTM Ghee
Seal point himalayan manxSeal point himalayan(?) fox
a/- B/B ch/c D/- S/s re/re mx/mxat/a B/b ch/- D/- S/- Mx/mx

 
This is a line bred litter. There are so few manx mice in Adelaide that we decided to breed Angel to her son Ghee to create the greatest change of getting manx in a litter. Our other alternative seemed to be to breed Ghee to one of his sisters, but this would have resulted in only a 1/4 chance of manx mice in the resulting litter, as opposed to a 1/2 chance with Angel. We also wanted to use Angel to further our manx line considering that she has no trace of a "stubby tail" as is seen in some manx mice. She also has nice ears and a great body shape, and we wanted to create more pointed mice too.


27th-Jan-2007 12:00 pm - Storm [breeding girls, does, storm]
Doe: Storm
Broken marked ??
a/- s/s
DOB: 23/12/2006 (estimated - assumes 5 weeks old)
Adopted: 27/01/2007  
Parents: Unknown
Database entry: click here

  

I bought this girl mostly because I wasn't sure what colour she was, and thought she looked like she might be mock chocolate, and would therefore have the chinchilla gene, which I could use to make a burmese mouse. I also thought her white nose tip was interesting, although it could be completely meaningless. Now, I'm wondering if she might be coffee or beige. Even so, I think it's worth her having one litter, either to Ghee, or one of his children.
20th-Jan-2007 12:06 am - Pet shop mice
Today we were in the city and decided to visit P&K Pets on the way home. Well, they had the biggest collection of nice mice I've ever seen there at one time. There were a couple of nice boys, but we spent the most time looking at the two tanks of girls, which were both marked "not for sale" - maybe they want to wait until they're older, or use them for breeding themselves (I did notice their "breeding room" was empty looking).

Girls
Broken marked (very dark) chocolate
Self choc long hair
Choc tan long hair
Marked black (completely white except for a black rump)
self dove
Brindle with lots of dark stripes
Unknown colour girl that looked almost mock chocolate (which would mean the chinchilla gene)


They were quite young, and it looked like they all had smallish ears, but I would have liked to take home pretty much every mouse on that list (especially the marked choc and one of the long haired chocs). We have so many mice at the moment, it's not really the time to be bringing home more, and they weren't for sale anyway, but we're going to have to get some mice from outside eventually if we don't want to inbreed too much.
19th-Jan-2007 11:40 pm - We've moved!
Over the last week or so we've been moving house - about 15-20 min south of where we were. The good news for us in terms of our mouse keeping and breeding is that this new house has a good sized backyard (so we can wash out mouse homes outside, instead of in the laundry sink or bath(!) and we can compost our substrate). We also now have a light and fairly well ventilated shed where most of the mice will be living. Keeping the mice in the shed means that they are much easier to protect from our cats, and we don't have to worry about how much room they are taking up in our house, or the smell of the boy mice inside (not that they smell that bad, but a group of them in a closed room can get pretty smelly, even with the window open, and I've dreamed of the day when we'd be able to keep them somewhere out of the house). Finally, we don't have to think about what  any visitors who don't feel the same way about mice as we do might think (we have a few family members who can't stand mice). Of course, we'll still be able to spend lots of time with them in the shed, and it's simple enough to give them ice bottles and/or bring them inside when it gets hot. We've had them in the shed for the last few days, and so far, everything is working out really well. This move has made me feel a lot better about mouse keeping in general.
11th-Jan-2007 12:07 pm - CO2 and anaesthetic euthanasia

I just posted this on a forum, and I figured it was too much writing to let it go to waste, so I'm putting it here too. Soon I'll put it in our mouse care info section, but I think I'd like to wait until there are some more "happy" topics there first. At the moment, this is not complete. Also ****I do not recommend home euthanasia unless you are very experienced. Please see your vet****

CO2
CO2, as many people know, is a by-product of our metabolism, and we eliminate it from our bodies by breathing it out. Normally, when haemoglobin (the molecule in red blood cells that carries the oxygen and CO2) carrying O2 travels in your blood, it drops off the O2 at the tissues, and the CO2 gets taken back to the lungs to be breathed off. CO2 is perfectly natural, we produce it, and we always have it in our bodies. It causes no problems for us unless there is essentially no ventilation (with the extreme situation being an airtight space). The reason that CO2 is potentially harmful to us because it competes with oxygen, and so if there is a lot of CO2 around it can deprive us of oxygen, but in a well ventilated area, there is essentially no danger of that.

CO2 euthanasia
CO2 may have some analgesic (pain relieving) properties at lower doses, but it's not an analgesic or an anaesthetic. It kills by suffocation. Haemoglobin has a higher affinity for CO2 than oxygen, which means that when there is a lot of CO2 around, there will be so much CO2 bound to the haemoglobin that there wont be any "room" for the oxgyen. Without enough oxygen being delivered to the animal's organs/tissues, the animal will become unconscious and soon die. The reason that people use CO2 in airtight containers is to maximise the concentration of CO2 compared to oxygen, deprive the animal of oxygen, and kill it as quickly as possible.

Dry ice
Dry ice is just frozen CO2, so CO2 is released as it sublimates. In a closed chamber, it's will have the same effect as using a CO2 pouch of some kind. The CO2 concentration might take a little longer to reach a fatal level, but it's killing exactly the same way. Also, as other people have said, the dry ice itself can burn animals that come in contact with it. Still, if you wanted to use dry ice, it would be easy enough to ensure that the animal couldn't come in direct contact with it.

Suffocation
It's worth remembering (not that I'm suggesting it) that mearly putting an animal in an airtight container will suffocate and kill it. The animal will use up it's oxygen, while breathing out CO2. The increasing CO2 concentrations will make it increasingly difficult to get whatever oxygen is avaliable, and the animal will pass out and die. It's essentially the same as the CO2 euthanasia method, it just takes longer because there is a lower initial cocentration of CO2.

Inhalation anaesthetics
Things like halothane and isoflurane actually are anaesthetics. In "normal" doses, they will make an animal unconscious, and in overdose, they will kill animals. I think the general scientific opinion is that this is the preferred method over CO2, but certainly not as easy for your average person to come by.

2nd-Jan-2007 12:00 pm - Pecan and Mason [mason, past litters, pecan]
Pecan had the litter this morning. We'll edit this entry with updates and baby pictures.

 
Doe: Pecan     Buck: Mason
Broken marked dilute brindle rex     Blue tan
Avy/- c?/- D/- P/- s/s Re/re     at/- B/- C/- d/d P/- S/s re/re
C locus is unknown - could even include cch     Carries either ce or ch

13/12/2006
We put Pecan and Mason together today.

We're breeding these two together for:
Rexes carrying blue and hopefully we will get some nice brindles carrying blue so that we can eventuially create a blue brindle. Also, because Mason carries either ce or ch, I have some vague hopes about finding out more about Pecan's C locus.



21st-Dec-2006 12:59 pm - Pinky passed away today [pinky]
Yesterday, Pinky's tumour had a bit of blood on it around her ear. She was still eating and walking around, but we decided it was time to euthanise her. This morning we found her dead. She didn't seem overly bothered by the tumour, in that she was eating, walking around and coming over to us for treats, but she had started to lose weight recently. I'm glad she didn't suffer more than she did.
14th-Dec-2006 11:40 pm - Cage cleaning and mousery gossip
Just did the big cage clean for the week. We decided the 4ft tank was better for the girls. During the week, we had to take out Spike, then later Kohl, as they attacked some of the other boys. We tried Kohl back in with the boys just in the last couple of days. He's calmer than Spike, but he still attacked occasionally, and more than we'd like. So, with Mason gone as well (in with Pecan) there weren't enough boys left in the 4ft to justify it being a boys tank. Spike had been living by himself for almost a week, so we introduced him to Kohl again. Spike mounted Kohl but that seems to be all there was to it for now. No biting or squeeking at this stage. We'll keep an eye on them.

Most of the girls are now in the 4ft tank. We have so many black girls now it's not funny. Luckily we can still tell them all apart based on their age and combinations of head spots and tail tips. Millie is looking better than she was a week ago when it was hot. Looking at her now, the tumour on her underside is less noticable, because she is walking around more normally rather than lying on the ground and kind of dragging herself along.

I'm happy with the mousery at the moment. Most of our girls are in good health, and the few that have problems don't seem to be bothered by them. Our breeding plans are going well, and we'll soon have two chocolate girls (from Scar & Chocs litter) to add to our group. They'll balance out the all the black a bit.

I'm happy with Ghee, who looks like a siamese (and is at least a himi). He has very nice ears, and it looks like he'll have good type. He's looking more impressive than Kohl at the moment actually. He's already as big as Kohl, and he's so smooth and wonderful. It feels good to have added a good quality buck to the Mousery. I hope he'll be worthy to take over from his father Buddy as our most impressive buck. Although I like all of our mice, I know that some of them are more important than others in terms of breeding. Eg - we are using Mason to introduce blue genes into our mice, and he  also has a wonderful personality (one of the best) but he doesn't have particularly nice ears, and his type is just average. Buddy on the other hand has great type. Almost every one of his children has been good looking.

# The 4 ft
Older girls - Hazel, Latte, April, Millie, Angel
Younger girls - Tango, Sugar, Shadow, Vee 
Angels litter (5 weeks old) - Halo, 2 black tan girls

# Boys - BT, Little Dot, Ghee, and 4 black tan boys from Angel's litter - perhaps a little crowded, but the 4 black tan boys will be gone in a week. They're getting along really well, and they have lots of things to play with, so they're all happy.

# Pecan and Mason - Hopefully getting busy ;)

# Pinky and Pepper - Pinky's tumour is really quite big, and looks a bit gross. She doesn't seem bothered by it at the moment, but I don't know how long it'll be.

# Spike and Kohl - Getting on ok so far

# Scar, April, and Scar's litter - Doing great :)

# Buddy - Same as always, prefers to be alone

# Choc - Might try him again in one of the boys tanks eventually

Whew. 8 tanks. Why does it seem like more?
3rd-Dec-2006 05:20 pm - Boys in the 4ft tank
We just did the cage cleaning. The 4ft tank wasn't toooo bad to clean. After being inspired by some people from Holland, where it is the norm to keep boy mice in big groups, we decided to give our boys a go in the four foot tank, as many of them were living together already. It was a pity to take the girls out, as they all got on well and loved the tank, but I really wantd to try this. We wouldn't normally have enough boys to make it worth while, but with Angel's boys being old enough to seperate, that means we will have a few more boys for the next couple of weeks at least. Also, BT, who had been with the boy group previously, has been seperated from Tango after failing to get her pregnant after about 2 months (at least). Not sure if we'll try to breed her to BT again, or someone else

Currently in the tank:
Adult boys - Mason, BT, Little Dot
Young "adults" (approx 8-9 weeks) Spike and the Colour point beige
Babies - Five 3.5 week old boys (Angel and Buddy's boys)

We tried Buddy in there initially, but as we expected... he wanted the whole tank and set about trying to chase everyone else away. I could tell that it was more than just a fleeting dominance thing. The other boys have scuffles too, but Buddy seems to actively seek out fights. He goes from one boy to the next, sniffs him, and bites him. Fortunately, he decided not to bite any of the young babies, but even so, I could see that the tank would be a whole lot more peaceful if he wasn't in it.

We didn't even try Choc in the tank, he's just too crazy, and putting him in with the other boys recently was unsuccessful.

At the moment, all of the boys have settled down to sleep. They're all happy. There haven't been any fights (or even scuffles) since we took Buddy out. I'm going out on a limb to say this, but I think from now on, we wont breed any boys unless they can live together happily with other boys. Hopefully that will result in calmer boys over time.
Granted our latest litter was fathered by Choc, who like his father Cloud is a pretty "wild" mouse (always trying to escape, and can't live with other boys) but Scar, like her brother LD, is one of our quietest, shyest mice. So, hopefully they'll produce some good tempered babies.
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